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lostlobo asked: Stop the hate

I could answer a few ways:

But I am actually surprised you didn’t bomb my page anonymously and then disappear, despite what I think is a bad assessment of what my blog is and what I have discussed, I am impressed.

That given, where is the hate?

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Anonymous asked: How can you anything non-biblical is not worth reading into? You know, my friend is fully Christian raised by good parents and she understands being gay is not a sin. It's very easy: Being gay isn't a choice ---> God makes no mistakes. I do have a movie you might enjoy (It's completely unbiased, it shows an argument it's not any kind of propaganda) called "Prayers For Bobby." The movie is about a kid how kills himself because his mother won't accept him being gay. I hope you watch it.

I didn’t say anything non-biblical is not worth reading into. I said anything that says something is un-biblical, in order to make a biblical point (like sin) is not worth reading into. It is using a non-biblical basis to try and tell Christians what to believe. 

Should I tell a Muslim that believing God has a Son is not a sin? No. Im a Christian…I do not practice Islam nor understand its tenants as an Imam would (though i am well versed in Islam).

So please, stop telling me that being gay isn’t a sin when the Bible is clear that is. Whether or not homosexuality is a choice, doesn’t change if it is a sin. I was born into a sinful nature but God has called me out of it to live a life of repentance, washed i the blood of Christ. Studies are not concrete on whether homosexuals are truly “born that way.” If not - then its a conscious choice to sin. If they ARE born that way, then like everyone on earth, they are inclined to sin (sinful nature) and must do what everyone must do in order to be saved and that is - Repent, and accept Christ. The Holy Spirit will take care of those sinful tendencies. A Homosexual’s sinful tendency just so happens to be manifested in the action of homosexuality. Read more HERE (or look in my archive).

ANON: Just an FYI: The bible never says homosexuality is a sin. Ever. Leviticus is also proven to be entirely inaccurate so trusting it is like trusting a heroin addict with heroin. Think before you hate.

This entire last post is false and kind of hilarious.
1. Leviticus is a historical document of the Jewish people that describes their Laws and God’s commands. How do you prove that as false? If you have an answer do tell.

by Matt Slick

Lev. 18:22

• ‘You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.” (NASB)
• “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” (ESV, NKJV)

Clearly, the Old Testament condemns homosexuality.  What else does it mean when it says “you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female”?  The term “lie with” here refers to sexual intercourse in the phrase “lie with a male as one lies with a female.”  It is an abomination.  The word here is תֹּועֵבָה towʿebah, toʿebah.

117 occurrences; AV translates as “abomination” 113 times, “abominable thing” twice, and “abominable” twice. 1 a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable. 1a in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages). 1b in ethical sense (of wickedness etc).1

Lev: 20:13

• “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.” (NASB)
• “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” (ESV)

The word “detestable” is the same Hebrew word found in Lev. 18:22, “abomination.”

There can be no doubt that the Old Testament condemns homosexuality as a detestable act worthy of death.  But we might ask, why such harsh penalty for a simple “sexual orientation?”  The answer lies in the overall context in which the Old Testament is written.  God had promised the Messiah who would be the Savior, the Deliverer of people from the judgment of God.  If homosexuality was to run rampant, it would threaten the arrival of the Messiah and thereby make God’s Word invalid (essentially making God a liar), and this cannot be.  Since God works through people, he provided the harshness of the law in order to guard people from their own sins, the sins of others, and ultimately provide a way by which the Messiah would come and die on the cross for our sins. 

Of course, the Old Testament Law is no longer in effect in this area because the Messiah has come and we are not under a theocratic governmental system.  Therefore, we are not to execute homosexuals.  We are to pray for them and their repentance so they might find salvation in Christ.

Objections ANswered

1. Leviticus was part of the mosaic law that was written to the Jews, not the Christians. Therefore, the condemnation of homosexuality in Leviticus does not apply to present day Christians.

First of all, it is obvious that homosexuality was condemned as a sin in Leviticus.  Are we to conclude that God changes his mind and says that for one group of people homosexuality is a sin but for another it is not? 

Second, God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.  This signifies the God ordained order of male and female, not male and male or female and female.  This is important because it was before the mosaic law was given.  The mosaic law properly reflects the created order of God that excluded homosexuality.  Therefore, the argument that homosexuality is not for Christians because it was intended for Israel under the Old Testament law does not apply.

Third, Paul the apostle condemns homosexuality in Romans 1:23-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, and 1 Tim. 1:10, each of which were written to Christians.

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2. Your heroin addict analogy is senseless truly. What were you trying to say here?

3. I really got angry reading the “think before you hate” comment. I read this after walking home with one of my project partners. This guy is on Student Govt. Senate and he happens to be gay. We laughed and had a good time talking, and there was NOT ONE INCH of hate in me for him. Just love. I am a Christian and I stand firm to my beliefs because I understand the Word of God as Truth. Christ commands us to Love, and thats all I show to my fellow man (gay or straight).

I also understand what True tolerance is. Tolerance is having a different opinion, way of life, or ideology and “tolerating” the existence of another. Tolerance does not mean I have to “accept” it and “approve” of it. Tolerance is “living in peace with your neighbor” as far as it depends on me (Romans 12:18).

The current liberal idea of tolerance isn’t true tolerance, its coercion. Its attempting to get people to NOT stand up for what they believe. Liberal tolerance today is more likened-to compromise and brainwashing. 

goodreasonnews asked: Alright, well, let me make it simpler for your narrow little mind: You are a bigot and your religion is one of hate and discrimination. Deep down, I'm sure you already knew that.

:) Aww. Thanks,

You inspire me [:D]

God Bless. 

[Edit]: You know you are doing something right when they get cranky and call you names for no reason, oh look i made his tumblr page! Haha Look. Posted by the man who still fails to provide facts.

goodreasonnews asked: Focus on the Family is most certainly a hate group. It's an organization that teaches and encourages not only ill will, but the social outcasting of homosexuals. It exists entirely to indoctrinate children into a worldview that, in all reality, has nothing to do with Christianity. It's a social-political view pushed by a hate group that shrouds itself in a facade of Christianity, just like the KKK. Their challenge to anti-bullying legislation ought to be enough to tell you that, ya dingbat.

I don’t intend to defend Focus on the Family, because I know they make mistakes and they can have a more positive approach.

But from what I know and understand, they are far from what you assert. They do not call for social outcasting of homosexual (please back up your claims). It is a social-political view, no doubt, but it is based faithfully and entirely within ideological teaching of Christianity. 

Partial mission statement: “nurturing and defending the God-ordained institution of the family and promoting biblical truths worldwide.”

Here, go to FoF’s page and without using the search tool, find the “anti-gay” bashing. Weird, this “hate” group doesn’t have it anywhere prominently. Hmm… try clicking “social issues.” Oh yes, there it is buried under “Defending your values.” FoF isn’t about being anti-gay it is about being Pro-Family first and allowing for children within their families to be given the option to be taught both side of the coin. 

Your ascertain that it is “like the KKK” is stupid and foolish. The KKK’s primary purpose is “White Supremacy” which is entirely unchristian, therefore making any claims of christian association are automatically and fully ridiculous.  

That is like calling myself a True Bruin (UCLA) through and through - as i sit in the USC student section with Cardinal and gold colors throwing up “V’s” and yelling “Beat the Bruins.” 

Their challenge to the “anti-bullying” campaign has nothing to do with hate, and everything to do with the simply fact that that campaign is being used as a way for the “pro-gay agenda” to be pushed on every facet of society. Its so easy to ostracize anything that opposes the anti-bullying campaign (which you have shown here) so they should make their reasons clear and concise…

Oh wait they did

“We feel more and more that activists are being deceptive in using anti-bullying rhetoric to introduce their viewpoints, while the viewpoint of Christian students and parents are increasingly belittled,” Cushman told the Post.

 But You are going to ignore that because it makes it conveniently easy to place it as “hateful.”

In my opinion, FOF strategy here is dumb because it makes itself look bad. I disagree with their approach, they make themselves looked paranoid, but there is no denying that the anti-bullying campaign IS indeed hijacked to push an agenda. 

Im sure you disagree, so please, return with facts proving the accuracy of their “hate” listing. 

Oh and I totally appreciate the name calling. Classy touch. 

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